HONDA1 – Moates Support https://support.moates.net Where all your DIY EFI questions are answered! Mon, 21 Nov 2022 13:10:17 +0000 en-US hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.3 Honda Chipping Kit Install: SMD for JDM/Small-Box ECUs https://support.moates.net/honda-chipping-kit-install-smd-for-jdmsmall-box-ecus/ Wed, 26 Jan 2011 19:39:17 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=1235 You will need bridge J1 on the back of the ECU.

Add C49 & C50 and C91 & C92 on back

C49 & C50 –> .004UF (Digikey part number 399-1230-1-nd )

C91 & C92 –> .00001UF ( digikey Part Number 399-1192-1-nd )

Add the 74hc373 SMD chip. (MFG part# SN74HC373NSR, Digi-Key Part Number 296-8310-1-ND)

Add a 29C256 eprom with bin written to it.

For RTP/Datalogging w/ Crome remove J4 on front.

Solder in a 4 pin header (snappable header pins 1×40 work GREAT for this and are VERY cheap)

All info is from the following threads:

http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=3112&highlight=chipping+jdm+computers

Special thanks to all the contributors of the above thread and katman for doing the pics in the first place… We love you katman 🙂

http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=4005&highlight=chipping+jdm+computers

Thanks to infotechplus for pics and info on C49,C50,C91,C92

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Honda Chipping Kit Install https://support.moates.net/honda-chipping-kit-install/ https://support.moates.net/honda-chipping-kit-install/#respond Mon, 10 May 2010 05:38:05 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=857 This is Keebler65’s old guide. Some of the chipset and software info is a bit dated, but the techniques are good.

ECU Chipping

You need to add a few additional components to the original Honda ECU. It requires some soldering skills and should not be attempted unless you have soldered before. (Chances are you know someone with soldering skills that could help you). Here is a picture of the P28 ECU that I chipped, before any of the parts were put in:


Before you can solder the parts in, you will need to de-solder the holes in the circuit board since they come filled with solder from the factory. You can buy a “solder sucker” to do the job, however unless you get a nice one (expensive) they don’t really work well in my opinion. The cheap and easy solution is to buy some solder braid. It’s just braided copper. Simply place it over the hole to be de-soldered, and place the soldering iron on top of the braid. It will then wick up the solder into the braid. It’s available at radioshack:


You’ll want to use a decent quality soldering iron to get the job done nicely. The important thing is to not use too much heat, and also make sure the iron has a fine tip on it. I’m using a standard Weller iron:


Here is what it should look like after the board has been de-soldered:


The parts that need to be added are boxed in with a dashed white line. The parts consist of (2) .1uF ceramic capacitors, (1) 1k resistor, (1) wire jumper (simply a piece of wire…I used a lead of the resistor), (1) 74HC373 chip, and (1) 29C256 chip (thats the EPROM). The resistor and capacitors have no polarity, so you don’t have to worry about installing them backwards. The 74HC373 chip does have a polarity. Pin 1 will be on the left side of the pic (you’ll see in detail later one). The same is true for the EPROM chip. Since it would be impossible to burn a chip and have the tune be perfect, it becomes obvious that you don’t want to solder the chip in. Instead, use a socket so that it can be removed. You have two options: for less than $1, you can get a standard DIP socket. The problem is these are very hard to insert and remove the chips since there are 28 pins (it requires a lot of force and is hard to grip the chip). Your second option would be a ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) socket, which costs less than $10. It is a socket that has a lever: pull up the lever, set the chip in/lift it out, and flip the lever back – VERY nice to have since you’ll be doing this many times while tuning. Be careful when ordering the ZIF socket, as many of them are too large to fit on the board without running into things. The first ZIF I bought was made by Aries, and it was a very quality piece, however, it was too large and bulky to fit without a lot of modification to other components on the board. I ended up ordering a different one that was much more compact. I am unaware of the brand, however it is blue and is referred to as a low-profile ZIF. The only problem was that the lever end of it was in the way of the 74HC373. The easy solution is to buy a standard DIP socket as mentioned above. Solder this onto the board. Then, stack the ZIF onto this socket, which raises the ZIF away from the board enough to clear the surrounding parts. This setup worked very well for me. The following picture shows the too-big-to-fit ZIF in the back-left, the low-profile ZIF in the front left, and the DIP socket on the right:


The ZIF socket stacked on the DIP socket for added height:


And finally, a couple of pics with all of the parts installed:



I ordered most of my parts from www.jdr.com except for the low-profile ZIF socket and DIP socket, which I obtained from www.jameco.com. The following table containse the exact part numbers that I ordered. You’ll notice that I ordered two EPROMS. This way, it will be easier to burn one while the other is installed.

Part Number Quantity Description Source
29C256-12PC 2 This is the chip that you burn with Uberdata JDR
74HC373 1 The other chip that is reqired JDR
R1.0K 1 1K resistor JDR
.1UF 2 .1uF capacitors JDR
102744 1 Low profile ZIF Socket Jameco
40336 1 28 Pin DIP socket Jameco

Additionally, I have recently located all of the parts you will need from one source. DigiKey is where you can find them. Their inventory selection can be overwhelming, so here are the part numbers you will want:

Part Number Quantity Description
AT29C256-70PC-ND 2 This is the chip that you burn with Uberdata
MM74HC373N-ND 1 The other chip that is reqired
1.0KEBK-ND 1 1K resistor
478-4279-3-ND 2 .1uF capacitors
A347-ND 1 Low profile ZIF Socket
A409AE-ND 1 28 Pin DIP socket

And for a final update to this page, I’d like to add that you can find ALL of the necessary chipping parts at moates.net. It is a great deal in my opinion, and you’re guaranteed to get the correct parts the first time around. It’s under the name of “Honda ECU Chipping Kit”.

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Honda Tuning with Crome Tutorial https://support.moates.net/honda-tuning-with-crome/ https://support.moates.net/honda-tuning-with-crome/#respond Mon, 10 May 2010 05:31:23 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=848 Although quite outdated, this is a very nice PDF tutorial written up by Darren Kattan. Check it out by clicking HERE

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Programming Chips Using Offsets https://support.moates.net/programming-chips-using-offsets/ https://support.moates.net/programming-chips-using-offsets/#respond Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:04:49 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=775 Introduction

If you’re completely new to burning chips, you may want to take a look at the Beginners’ Guide before reading the rest of this article.  You will probably still need to read this guide in order to choose the correct programming parameters unless you’re in the situation where you’re programming a chip that is the exact same size as the chip you are replacing.  Programming chips with offsets comes into play in two situations:

  1. If the chip you are programming is of a larger capacity than the binary file you are putting on it, you need to use an offset to ensure the tune ends up in the right spot on the chip.
  2. Switching adapters which hold multiple programs require the use of offsets to fit multiple programs on a single chip for a switching adapter.

Both of these cases will be covered in this article.

Chip Offsets With a Single Tune:

We’re going to assume you have either TunerPro or Flash n Burn open at this point and the chip physically oriented correctly.  If you need help with this, look at the Beginners’ Guide before continuing.  We will be selecting the correct buffer and chip addressing to ensure the chip is burned properly and can be used.

When in the software:

  1. Select the type of chip you’ll be programming from the drop-down menu. This will likely be either the AT29C256, 27SF512, AT90F040 or Moates J3 adapter (F3/F3v2).
  2. Pick the ‘Load file to buffer’ option, and navigate to the file you want programmed on the chip. Select it, and it will be loaded to memory on the PC. Take note of the file size indicated in the message window. (You can typically “hover” over the filename before opening it and Windows will pop up an information box iwth the file size)  It will likely be one of five sizes: 4k, 16k, 32k, 56k or 64k bytes.
    • The file you have loaded will determine your buffer addressing (start/end)
    • 4k byte = 0000/0FFF
    • 16k byte = 0000/3FFF
    • 32k byte = 0000/7FFF
    • 56k byte = 0000/DFFF
    • 64k byte = 0000/FFFF
  3. In the top right part of the window you will see the Chip Addressing offset values that need to be changed. The buffer addressing along with the chip size will determine what offsets you need to use. (Flash n Burn usually automatically selects sane offsets based on your chip type and file size in order to place your buffer at the end of the chip, where it usually belongs.)
    The following table summarizes what offsets you need to use depending on chip used and file size:

    File Size
    Chip
    Buffer Start -> End
    Chip Start -> End
    4k (4096)
    AT29C256
    000000 -> 000FFF
    007000 -> 007FFF
    16k (16384)
    AT29C256
    000000 -> 003FFF
    004000 -> 007FFF
    32k (32768)
    AT29C256
    000000 -> 007FFF
    000000 -> 007FFF
    4k (4096)
    27SF512
    000000 -> 000FFF
    00F000 -> 00FFFF
    16k (16384)
    27SF512
    000000 -> 003FFF
    00C000 -> 00FFFF
    32k (32768)
    27SF512
    000000 -> 007FFF
    008000 -> 00FFFF
    56k (57344)
    27SF512
    000000 -> 00DFFF
    002000 -> 00FFFF
    64k (65536)
    27SF512
    000000 -> 00FFFF
    000000 -> 00FFFF
    32k (32768 EECIV)
    F3/F3v2
    000000 -> 007FFF
    032000 -> 039FFF
    56k (57344 EECIV)
    F3/F3v2
    000000 -> 00DFFF
    032000 -> 03FFFF
    64k (65536 EECIV)
    F3/F3v2
    000000 -> 00FFFF
    032000 -> 03FFFF
    216k or 224k (EECV)
    F3/F3v2
    “bank” format: non-linear!
    convert to 256k!
    256k (EECV)
    F3/F3v2
    000000 -> 03FFFF
    000000 -> 03FFFF

    While the correct values are often selected, you can manually enter them.  For a single-tune single-chip scenario, you generally want the buffer (or file content) to be placed at the ‘end’ of the chip. The notable exceptions to this rule are 32k EECIV Ford tunes (which need to start at 0x32000 and end before the end of the chip) and 216k/224k Ford EECV bins (which are not in linear memory format and need converted to 256k before programming).

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    To do this manually:

    • Ensure Buffer Addresses are correct for the file size you have loaded.
    • Adjust the Chip Addressing start value and end value until the end value is the maximum value for the chip AND buffer address values are correct.
    • A short list of common chip addressing settings:
      • 64k bin: 000000 start 00FFFF end ( SST27SF512 chip )
      • 32k bin: 008000 start 00FFFF end ( SST27SF512 chip )
      • 16k bin: 00C000 start 00FFFF end ( SST27SF512 chip )
      • 4k bin: 00F000 start 00FFFF end ( SST27SF512 chip )
      • 56k Ford EECIV bin: 032000 start 03FFFF end ( Ford F3 chip )
      • 256k Ford EECV bin: 000000 start 03FFFF end ( Ford F3 chip )
      • 112k Ford EECV bin: SPECIAL need other software ( Ford F3 chip )
      • 216k Ford EECV bin: SPECIAL need other software ( Ford F3 chip )
      • BEB files CANNOT be programmed with FnB / TP.  Must program using Binary Editor
      • eBIN file CANNOT be programmed
  4. Once you are satisfied with the offsets, perform a normal Erase/Blank/Program/Verify cycle!  Consult the Beginners’ Guide for more information.

Using Switching Adapters:

Using our switching adapters (G2X, G3, GX, TwoTimer, F3, F3v2,F8) requires programming chips using offsets of making “stacked” bin files.  Switching adapters use chips that are larger than an ECU requires, allowing the extra space to be used for multiple programs.  The “extra” space gets divided up into chunks, each of which can store an individual tune.  There are two approaches to creating proper chips for use with switching adapters, both equally valid:

  1. Lump all tune files together on your PC into one bin file “stacked” which is the same size as the chip, program chip at once.
    • The “Bin Stacker/splitter” function in TunerPro can be used to prepare a single file from a group of tunes.  (You can also use a hex editor or other tool)
    • This “stacked” file contains all the tunes and can then be programmed like a “normal” file using TunerPro, Flash n Burn, etc.
    • “Normal” programming cycle: Erase, Blank check, Load tune/buffer, Program chip, Verify.
    • Entire chip gets programmed at once, all tunes for the ECU get programmed on the chip in one operation as part of the “stacked” file.
    • Requires preparation of new “stacked” file and reprogramming of entire chip if any individual tune changes.
  2. Program the chip multiple times, once for each tune, different small selected area of chip Program/Verify cycle instead of whole chip.
    • Instead of relying on a program to create a “stacked” file, knowledge of chip addressing is used to place tunes at correct places within a chip.
    • Programming cycle changes slightly: Erase, Blank check happens at very beginning of cycle ONLY ONCE.  Does NOT happen before every Program/Verify operation, like normal.
    • Erase/Blank is followed by multiple Program, Verify operations.  Each operation is for one tune.  Each operation will have different start/end addresses which are a portion of the chip.
    • Does NOT require preparing any special files in advance – uses the same bin files which would be used for single-tune programming.
    • If you want to chance a tune which is already programmed, the entire chip must be erased and all tunes individually reprogrammed.

As a rule of thumb, tunes start at the end of the chip and count down.  i.e. “Tune 0” is in the highest addresses on the chip, or the top slot in a stacked bin.  “Tune 1” will be the next lower slot.  Some adapters have chips which can hold more tunes than there are address lines for switching.

Each switching adapter we sell has different numbers of available slots, slot sizes and corresponding chip addresses start/end:

  • G2X: 27SF512 chip (00000/0FFFF), 16x 32kbit/4kbyte slots on chip:
    1. F000/FFFF
    2. E000/EFFF
    3. D000/DFFF
    4. C000/CFFF
    5. B000/BFFF
    6. A000/AFFF
    7. 9000/9FFF
    8. 8000/8FFF
  • G3: 29F040 chip (000000 / 07FFFFF), 16x variable size slots, Ex remote required, addressing varies according to settings on adapter
  • GX: 29F040 chip (000000 / 07FFFFF), 16x 64k slots, Ex remote required, addressing varies according to size of base file.
    • There are 16 slots on the chip.  Each slot is 64k ( 0x0FFFF) in size.
    • Tunes smaller than 64k typically need to be top-justified so that they END at the end of each window
    • When using the Ex remote (or no switcher – floating switch inputs) slot “0” will be at the end of the chip and bigger numbers on the Ex remote will mean slots closer to the beginning (0x000000) of the chip.
  • TwoTimer: 27SF512 (00000/0FFFF), 2x 256kbit/32kbyte slots, idles in “high position”
    1. 8000/FFFF
    2. 0000/7FFF
  • F3 (version one – switch pin and 2 tunes): special case.  Cannot program entire device at once, stacking NOT possible.  Program chip twice, manually change state of switching pin during programming. Note: “Erase chip” function does NOT erase whole chip, only erases the “bank” selected by the jumper
  • F3v2 (version two – 4 pin connector and dial switch, 8 tunes): special case.  Cannot program entire device at once, stacking NOT possible.  Program chip multiple times, manually change state of switch during programming to select different slots. Note: “Erase chip” function does NOT erase whole chip, only erases the “bank” selected by the switch
  • F8: special case.  Use F8 device utility to prepare and program tunes.
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Discounts for Shops, Resellers, and Group Buys https://support.moates.net/discounts-for-shops-resellers-and-group-buys/ https://support.moates.net/discounts-for-shops-resellers-and-group-buys/#respond Sun, 04 Apr 2010 20:20:15 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=757 Shops and Resellers:

If you are interested in purchasing Moates.Net products in bulk, or would like to be a reseller of our products, the following discount structure is available to you:

10% off for 10 – 19 pieces more of a given item
15% off for 20 – 49
20% off for 50 – 99 and
25% off for 100+ units

NOTE!
This discount can be applied retroactively as well for a 12 month rolling total. For instance, if you buy 5 units at regular price of $20 each and then later on purchase 6 more units in a 12 month period at $20 each, then a discount will be applied to the total so you’ll get a partial refund of 10% on all 11 units, or $22.

Furthermore, if you subsequently purchase 12 more units, you will be eligible for the 15% price break on all 23 units, giving you an additional $47 off. The total net discount on ALL same items purchased in a 12 month rolling period would effectively be 15%. We chose a 12 month rolling time period instead of a calendar year so you won’t lose your discount if you buy in December and then more in January.

This may seem confusing, and it does add to order processing complexity on our side. However, it is designed to lower the risk level for entry-level shops and resellers. You don’t need a big buy-in, since the retroactive discount structure takes care of you!

This discount structure is not valid for small incremental orders (one part here, one part there), and does not apply to individual drop shipments. Instead, it is limited to quantity orders of 3 or more pieces at a time going to the same destination. So if you buy 3 units and 8 units, then you get the 10% discount on all 11. If you then buy 1 separate unit separately, the 1 separate unit doesn’t get the discount and doesn’t count toward the total accumulation for bulk retroactive discount.The reason for this is that the 1 piece at a time approach still requires all of the administrative order processing burden on our side, and part of the reason for bulk discounts is that it is easier for us to ship quantities of units than shipping them individually.

Group buys:

Pre-arranged group buys are available. The same normal discount structure as described for bulk discounts applies based on the number of participants, but the minimum individual order quantity of 3 isn’t required.

Any purchase made on the website or over the phone under a group buy situation should be CLEARY INDICATED, preferably in the comments section of the order. That way we know what to do with it.

For example, one group buy coordinator will contact us ahead of time and initiate the group buy period (up to two weeks in duration). We will agree on the close-out date for the group purchase.

If the coordinator wants to have all of the units shipped to them and then distribute them to the individual purchasers, then it will be handled no differently than a standard bulk discount situation.

If the buyers decide to pay for the units individually at our webstore and have them shipped separately to each buyer, then that is also fine. In this case, full price will be charged initially. At the close of the group buy, a discount will be applied as a partial refund to each participant separately.

The total discount will depend on the total number of participants. So for 10-19 it’d be 10% and for 20-49 it’ll be 15%. We usually don’t know how many participants are involved until the close of the group buy period, so that’s why the partial refund / discount is delayed until that time.

Hope this helps!

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Moates.net Philosophy (READ ME) https://support.moates.net/moatesnet-philosophy-read-me/ https://support.moates.net/moatesnet-philosophy-read-me/#respond Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:51:08 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=650 Our Philosophy:

We are a small technically-oriented outfit that focuses on product development not fancy packaging, phone support, and marketing.  We bring you high-quality, value-priced products aimed at self-starters willing to read documentation, learn independently and most importantly try things on their own without someone providing guidance every step of the way.

About Moates.Net and our products:

It is important for you, our users, to understand what we expect of you and what we aim for in our products.  Our philosophy at Moates.Net is simple: we want to bring enthusiasts the highest quality products for tuning their cars at a reasonable price.  What we mean by “enthusiasts” is simple: people who are motivated to learn about tuning their car.  It doesn’t matter whether you’re working on your own car or work for a shop – if you’re willing to learn about tuning a car, you are part of our target audience.

Our objective isn’t to make a fortune – there are plenty of companies out there that sell comparable products for a whole lot more.  With that said, there are trade offs in our approach.  Our products frequently do not even have boxes, let alone fancy packaging like other vendors.  Our products do not ship with much printed instructions – instead our documentation can be found online.  (Like this support site!)  We devote most of our resources to product development, leaving limited resources for intensive support.  We have chosen instead to provide inexpensive products with fewer frills aimed at a more educated user.

What We Expect of You

Here at Moates.Net, education and teaching are things we value highly.   We don’t expect everyone to be born knowing how to tune a car or use our products.  We expect anyone who purchases our products to be willing to READ and learn independently. We will help you if you run into trouble, but we expect you to READ documentation and try to do it on your own first.  We base a lot of the technical documentation and guides we develop on the questions that you ask.  (If you have any suggestions for additional guide topics, we are always willing to listen.)  Many of our activities, such as this support site and our YouTube channel with its video tutorials, are aimed at providing resources to further educate our users.

If it doesn’t work out…

Worst case, we have a no questions asked money back guarantee for any parts returned in the condition they were received.  (We can’t issue a full refund for items damaged through neglect, negligence or abuse.)  We hope this isn’t how things end, but you’re only out the cost of shipping and the time you spent trying to figure it out.

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Unsupported Honda Setups https://support.moates.net/unsupported-honda-configurations/ https://support.moates.net/unsupported-honda-configurations/#comments Thu, 05 Feb 2009 06:05:30 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=380 A Word of Warning

This article was accurate as of the time it was written (2009) but things may have changed.  At Moates.net, we rely on information from our users about what works and what doesn’t work.  Please investigate on PGMFI.org and elsewhere to confirm the information you find here!  Things may have changed and we may not be in the loop.

Unsupported Vehicles

  • V6 Hondas have very limited hardware and software support
  • K-series Hondas have no support from hardware we make at this time
  • 2001+ non-K series Hondas (D17, R18, etc.) have no support from hardware we make at this time
  • Automatic Hondas have very limited support. Very little has been done with automatic transmission controls and many tuning packages eliminate the code used to control auto transmissions.

Unsupported ECUs

  • Anything pre-1988 probably lacks spark control. There isn’t much if anything available software-wise for these ECUs. You might find 24 or 28 pin EPROMs inside, you might not. Your mileage may vary.
  • 1988-1991 DPFI (Dual Point Fuel Injection – Throttle Body Injection) ECUs have zero software support. 90-91 models can be chipped like an OBD1 ECU hardware-wise, but that doesn’t solve the software issue.
  • 1988-1989 Civic Si (PM6) and 1988-1991 CRX HF ECU (PM8) require a daughterboard we do not sell in order to be chipped. Use a 90-91 ECU on these model years.
  • 1992-1995 JDM GSR Automatic ECUs (hardware design makes chipping them impossible. Auto JDM P30s are ok)
  • 1996-2001 ECUs (OBD II – hardware design makes chipping very difficult to impossible, requires surface mount soldering tools and chips no longer available on the market.)
  • Prelude ECUs (trivially chippable, but unless you are going to develop the software support, it doesn’t currently exist)
  • V6 ECUs from Legend (early models can be trivially chipped, but unless you are going to develop the software support, it doesn’t currently exist)
  • NSX ECUs (early models can be trivially chipped, but unless you are going to develop the software support, it doesn’t currently exist)
  • Basically any ECU other than an Integra or Civic ECU is not well-supported

This information was last updated 2/4/09 by Dave Blundell.

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Honda Kit https://support.moates.net/honda-kit/ https://support.moates.net/honda-kit/#comments Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:09:46 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=337 Overview

The Honda chip kit contains all the components necessary to put a chip in your OBD I Honda ECU.

There are two varieties of this kit, the USDM and JDM versions. JDM ECUs are smaller square ECUs that require surface mount components. The USDM ECUs are rectangular and use standard thru-hole components.

This kit also comes with a replacement capacitor for the 200uF cap that is known to go bad in these older ECUs.

Compatibility

This kit is compatible with the following ECUs:

  • P28
  • P30
  • P72
  • P75
  • P05
  • P06
  • P08
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Auto to Manual https://support.moates.net/auto-to-manual/ https://support.moates.net/auto-to-manual/#respond Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:19:24 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=128 To perform an auto to manual conversion on an OBD I Honda ECU, use the following procedure:

  1. Verify that you have an Automatic. You will know if there are resistors in RP17 and RP18 (next to the EEPROM)
  2. Remove RP17 and RP18
  3. Replace RP18 with a jumper. (The one you removed from J12 usually works well, or just a paperclip)

When you are done, the resistors should look like this:

Manual ECU Resistor Arrangement

Manual ECU Resistor Arrangement

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Honda: Identifying your ECU https://support.moates.net/identifying-your-ecu/ https://support.moates.net/identifying-your-ecu/#respond Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:09:16 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=119

Honda ECUs have a Diagnostic Generation, Model and a Board Revision.

The diagnostic generations are OBD 0, OBD I, and OBD II.

Examples of the model are  P28, P72, etc.

The board revisions are 1980, 11F0, and 1720.

Diagnostic Generation (OBD 0, OBD I, OBD IIa/b)

Every generation

Every generation

From top to bottom:

    Knowing the generation of your ECU is extremely important. For a P28 it is easy because the P28 was only made for OBD I vehicles, however Integra ECUs like the P72 and P75 have both OBD I and OBD II variants. Be weary of this when you are purchasing an ECU online, an OBD II ECU is basically worthless.

  • OBD IIb
  • OBD IIa
  • OBD I
  • OBD 0
  • Model (P28/P72/etc)

    Side view of P28

    Side view of P28

    Just because you have an OBD 0 or OBD I ECU doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ll be able to just up and tune. Take a look at the side of your ECU, you’ll see 37820-PXX-XXX. The numbers following the P, like P28 or P30 are very important. Here are some things to note about the most common variants:

    • P05 – Civic CX – Most basic supported ECU. Doesn’t have O2 Heater circuit, disable this to prevent CEL
    • P06 – Civic DX – Same as P05 but has heater circuit
    • P08 – JDM Civic – Same as P06, but has VTEC
    • P28 –  Civic Ex/Si – The standard issue tuning ECU.
    • P30 – Del Sol VTEC – Same as P28 but has a Knock Board
    • P72 – Same as P30 but with IAB control
    • P75 – Same as P72 but with no Knock Board or VTEC control

    Board Revision

    The only reason that the board revision is typically of interest is when you are attempting to add components like a VTEC conversion kit.

    The board revision can be found silkscreened onto your ECU:

    This is a 11F0 board

    This is a 11F0 board

    USDM/JDM

    The only time you need to worry about whether your ECU is UDSM or JDM is when selecting which chip kit to purchase. JDM ECUs require slightly different chips than their USDM counterparts, so make sure you select the right one when you order.

    USDM (Rectangular)
    USDM (Rectangular)
    JDM (Square)

    JDM (Square)

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    Honda Overview READ ME! https://support.moates.net/honda-compatibility/ https://support.moates.net/honda-compatibility/#respond Wed, 17 Sep 2008 02:25:50 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=112 Summary

    Only certain Hondas can be tuned using our hardware. In short, these are any vehicles that run a B, D, H, or F (Accord) series engine with a distributor and can run an OBD I ECU. Whether they accept these ECUs natively or via an OBD II to OBD I or OBD0 to OBD I conversion harness makes no difference.

    Some of the OBD0 (pre-92) vehicles can be chipped and tuned natively, but the OBD I software tools are so much more advanced and user friendly that it is worth considering converting these vehicles to OBD1 with a conversion harness when possible.

    If you have a 1996-2001 Honda, you will need to remove your stock OBD2 ECU and plug-in a supported OBD I ECU via a conversion harness. Please make sure you order the appropriate harness for your car as different model years used different connectors.

    Supported Vehicles

    • 1992-2000 Civic (1996-2000 Civics require OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness, use 92-95 OBD1 ECU)
    • 1992-2001 Integra (1996-2001 Integras require OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness, use OBD1 ECU)
    • 1992-2001 Prelude/Accord (1996-2001 Preludes require OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness, requires Integra or Civic OBD1 ECU swap, )
    • 1988-1991 Civic/CRX Si-HF or swapped cars (can use OBD1 ECU and OBD1 tools with OBD1/OBD2 distributor swap and conversion harness)
    • 1988-1991 Integra/CR-X/Civic with B16A swap (requires PR3/PW0 ECUs to use as OBD0 Vtec)
    • 1990-1991 Civic/CRX Si D16A6 (will have PM6 ECU, ready to use as OBD0 non-vtec)
    • 1988-1989 Civic/CRX Si, 1988-1991 CRX HF (requires use of a 90-91 ECU to use as OBD0 non-vtec)

    Supported ECUs

    • 1992-1995 Civic (P05 | P06 | P08 | P28)
    • 1994-1995 Del Sol VTEC (P30)
    • 1992-1995 Integra GS-R (P61, P72)
    • 1992-1995 Integra RS/LS/GS/SE (PR4 | P74 | P75)
    • 1992-1995 JDM Civic, Integra, Del Sol, etc. (P30, P72, P54, P08, etc. small square case. Place note in order!!! JDM ECUs require different parts than USDM)
    • Chippable OBD-0 ECUs (PW0 | PR3 | PM6)
    • see also pgmfi wiki on the subject

    Note: If you do not see your car or ECU specifically listed here, please check to make sure you do not have an unsupported setup before purchasing anything!

    Supported Tuning Software

    • Neptune (targets primarily 92-95 OBD1 ECU hardware, very actively developed, advanced feature set, per-vehicle licensing)
    • eCtune (targets primarily 92-95 OBD1 ECU hardware, starting to be poorly maintained, advanced feature set, per-vehicle licensing)
    • CROME Pro (targets OBD1 ECUs, supports datalogging, getting to be poorly maintained, great for “simple” tunes, flexible licensing)  There is a very nice PDF tutorial written up by Darren Kattan. Check it out by clicking HERE.
    • CROME (as above, free but without datalogging support)
    • BRE (Primarily targets OB0 Vtec computers: PR3, PW0. Also has limited support for PM6. Only recommended for “simple” setups. Not very actively supported)
    • TurboEdit (Primarily targets OBD0 non-vtec computers, i.e. PM6. Only recommended for non-vtec engines and very simple setups. Not very actively supported)
    • Uberdata (Older application. Targets OBD1 platform. Once thought to be dead but seems to be some recent development activity)
    • FreeLog (Free, datalogging package, works with Crome, not heavily supported/updated.)

    Software Recomendations

    The only one of our kits that comes with software is the Demon+Neptune kit.  The Honda Tuning Kit is sold as a hardware only solution.  We recommend Xenocron.com for purchasing any software not included with your kit.  Xenocron sells both Neptune and CROME.
    If you have a “serious” setup (i.e. something that you’ve put a couple thousand dollars into) and you want a package with “serious” support behind it you are pretty much limited to Neptune.
    Crome works some of the time, but unless you’re a developer and want to go and fix the numerous small problems it has, you won’t get much help.
    If you are looking for something free to make basic changes to your car, Crome or Uberdata is probably worth trying. You can download versions of both software for free.
    The OBD0 packages (BRE, TurboEdit) are fine for “simple” setups (figure stock map sensor, 450cc injectors, redline at stock or lower, etc.) but when you start pushing things further from stock their immaturity starts to show.
    The information in this section represents the opinions of Dave Blundell as of 7/2/12. As you learn more, you might come to disagree with some of what is posted here and that is fine – these are just recommendations for beginners based on years of working with all the packages listed.

    Additional Information

    PGMFI.org will have lots of answers for you and probably make your head want to explode if you spend too much time there. Both the forum and wiki are loaded full of useful information, but the forum in particular can be very hard to find things. Use the search function lots.

    OBD1 Civic/Integra ECUs are a common hardware platform. Despite the many different models of ECU (P05, P06, P28, P30, P72, etc.) Honda only used 3 different circuit boards in the US. This means that it is very easy to use an ECU designed to run one engine to run another. JDM ECUs use different parts for chipping and modification than US ECUs. Most JDM ECUs use primarily surface mount components while USDM and European ECUs use primarily through-hole components.

    Moates Hardware for Honda ECUs

    Demon+Neptune – Demon hardware with a Neptune RPT license included.  Arguably the best solution available for tuning OBD1 Hondas.  Realtime tuning, datalogging, onboard logging based on trigger conditions without a laptop connected, great software.  Ideal bundle for enthusiasts looking to tune their own vehicle.

    D2 Socket – standard 28 pin socket. Used for chipping pretty much all ECUs covered on this page. Part of other kits, too. Only thing needed for chipping OBD0 ECUs. Included as part of the Honda Chipping Kit.

    S4 Aries Low Profile ZIF Socket – low-profile (smaller) ZIF (Zero Insertion Force) socket commonly used to make it easier to take chips in and out of an ECU quickly. Not essential by any means, but certainly nice. Included as part of the Honda Chipping Kit.

    C2 SST 27SF512 Chip – This is *the* chip you will use if you are working with Hondas, unless you know better. Buy this if you want spare chips. Included as part of the Honda Chipping Kit.

    ‘373 latch – 74HC373 octal latch. Required for OBD1 ECUs to talk to an external EPROM. Included as part of the Honda Chipping Kit.

    C14 Cap – 220uF Electrolytic capacitor. Replaces a capacitor that is part of the power supply for the ECU. This capacitor is known to leak and go bad, blowing a hole that usually causes other damage in your ECU. Included as part of the Honda Chipping Kit.

    CN2 latching header – this is used for datalogging. designed to latch and lock with the cable we supply with the Hondalog/HULOG. Normally included as part of the Honda Chipping Kit.

    CN2 Straight header – this is used for datalogging. does not latch/lock the cable we supply. Basic, no frills.

    Honda Chipping Kit – This kit includes everything you need to chip ONE OBD1 Honda ECU. Includes regular machine pin socket, low profile ZIF socket, 373 latch, caps, resistor, locking CN2 header and one chip. You must specify if you are using a USDM or JDM ECU! This is very important!

    Install Service – don’t feel up to installing a Honda Chip Kit? Let us do it

    Chip Extender – This device allows you to mount your chip away from the ECU. Usually works with Ostrich, switchers and other gizmos.

    Two Timer – Allows you to program two independent programs into a 27SF512 chip and switch between them arbitrarily. Basic setup for multiple programs.

    GX switcher – requires the Ex switcher. Allows selection from up to 16 programs programmed into a 29F040 chip. Advanced setup for multiple programs.

    If you have a NON-VTEC ECU (PR4 | P05 | P06 | P75) and you wish to run a VTEC motor, please purchase the appropriate VTEC Upgrade kit for your ECU under the chip kit section. Each circuit board is labelled with a part number in white silkscreen lettering towards the top-center section of the board. Match this up with each of the three kits we sell. 1720 11F0 1980

    PWM Boost control kit – Allows an ECU using eCtune / Neptune / Hondata to act as an PulseWidth Modulated (PWM) boost controller. Will not work with Crome or OBD0 solutions at this time. (alternative method for eCtune ONLY uses 5151 and sometimes an 810 Ohm resistor)

    BURN2 – The BURN2 replaces the BURN1 and is functionally identical. The BURN2 burner is the weapon of choice for all things Honda that we support. You will use it to program chips

    Ostrich 2.0 – The Ostrich2 allows flawless real-time changes to be made while the vehicle is running.

    Hondalog / Xtreme HULOG – The Xtreme HULOG is a Hondalog in a durable plastic case for $5 more. They are functionally identical. They allow datalogging from ECUs that have an appropriate program and a CN2 header installed

    Honda Tuning Package – This is the Xtreme HULOG, Ostrich 2.0, Burn2 and a Honda Chip Kit bundled together for savings. It includes all the hardware you need to get started. Same great stuff, cheaper price as a package. Simply buy additional Honda Chip Kits to tune additional vehicles.

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    CROME https://support.moates.net/crome/ https://support.moates.net/crome/#comments Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:11:56 +0000 http://support.moates.net/?p=16 John Cui's ROM Editor

    John Cui

     

    CROME is a ROM-Editor written primarily for OBD I Honda ECUs. A Pro version is available for $149 which unlocks a hidden data-logging feature.

    CROME works natively with the following Moates hardware:

    • Ostrich (both 1.0 and 2.0)
    • Burn1
    • Burn2
    • HuLog (both Xtreme HuLog and Original HuLog)
    • HondaLog

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKpLKHEwWXY[/youtube]

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